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Saints and Swindlers

Conversation with ISKCON's Srila Prabhupada!

Saints and Swindlers



Pritha dd: “Every day the number of people interested in practicing yoga and meditation increases by the thousands. Unfortunately, a person looking for a suitable guide is likely to encounter a bewildering array of magicians, self-styled gurus, and self-proclaimed gods. In an interview with the London Times, Srila Prabhupada explains how a sincere seeker can tell the difference between a counterfeit and genuine spiritual guide.”

Reporter: What frankly worries me is that since the arrival in Britain some time ago of an Indian yogi (saint), who was the first “guru” that most people had ever heard of, a lot of “gurus” have suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Sometimes I get the feeling that not all of them are as genuine as they ought to be. Would it be right to warn people who are thinking of taking up spiritual life that they should make sure that they have a genuine guru to teach them?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Of course, to search out a guru is very nice, but if you want a cheap guru, or if you want to be cheated, then you will find many cheating gurus. But if you are sincere, you will find a sincere guru. Because people want everything very cheaply, they are cheated. We ask our students to refrain from illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling, and intoxication. People think that this is all very difficult–a botheration. But if someone else says, “You may do whatever nonsense you like, simply take my mantra,” then people will like him. The point is that people want to be cheated, and therefore cheaters come. No one wants to undergo any austerity. Human life is meant for austerity, but no one is prepared to undergo austerity. Consequently, cheaters come and say, “No austerity. Whatever you like, you do. Simply pay me, and I’ll give you some mantra, and you’ll become God in six months.” All this is going on. If you want to be cheated like this, the cheaters will come.

Reporter: What about the person who seriously wants to find spiritual life but who happens to finish up with the wrong guru?

Srila Prabhupada: If you simply want an ordinary education, you have to devote so much time, labor, and understanding to it. Similarly, if you are going to take to spiritual life, you must become serious. How is it that simply by some wonderful mantras, someone can become God in six months? Why do people want something like that? This means that they want to be cheated.




Reporter: How can a person tell he has a genuine guru?

Srila Prabhupada: Can any of my students answer this question?

Disciple: Once I remember John Lennon asked you, “How will I know who is the genuine guru?” And you answered, “Just find out the one who is most addicted to Krsna. He is genuine.”

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. The genuine guru is God’s representative, and he speaks about God and nothing else. The genuine guru is he who has no interest in materialistic life. He is after God, and God only. That is one of the tests of a genuine guru: brahma-nistham. He is absorbed in the Absolute Truth. In the Mundaka Upanisad it is stated, srotriyam brahma-nistham: “The genuine guru is well versed in the scriptures and Vedic knowledge, and he is completely dependent on Brahman.” He should know what Brahman is and how to become situated in Brahman. These signs are given in the Vedic literature. As I said before, the real guru is God’s representative. He represents the Supreme Lord, just as a viceroy represents a king. The real guru will not manufacture anything. Everything he says is in accordance with the scriptures and the previous acaryas. He will not give you a mantra and tell you that you will become God in six months. This is not a guru’s business. A guru’s business is to canvass everyone to become a devotee of God. That is the sum and substance of a real guru’s business. Indeed, he has no other business. He tells whomever he sees, “Please become God conscious.” If he canvasses somehow or other on behalf of God and tries to get everyone to become a devotee of God, he is a genuine guru.

Reporter: What about a Christian priest?

Srila Prabhupada: Christian, Muhammadan, Hindu–it doesn’t matter. If he is simply speaking on behalf of God, he is a guru. Lord Jesus Christ, for instance. He canvassed people, saying, “Just try to love God.” Anyone–it doesn’t matter who–be he Hindu, Muslim, or Christian, is a guru if he convinces people to love God. That is the test. The guru never says, “I am God,” or “I will make you God.” The real guru says, “I am a servant of God, and I will make you a servant of God also.” It doesn’t matter how the guru is dressed. As Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, “Whoever can impart knowledge about Krsna is a spiritual master.” A genuine spiritual master simply tries to get people to become devotees of Krsna, or God. He has no other business.

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3 Responses to "Saints and Swindlers"

  1. MP Udayanarayana  July 8, 2015 at 3:21 am

    Not even one in Ten thousand is a Real Guru in Present Era
    Becaz- We were tought and made to believe that what ever West Practices is Best- Easiest way to make Money!
    Poor intelligent is left with no alternative Ways than making Quick Money !
    Right time to Put strong Foundation Now !!!

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  2. Niranjan Vivek  October 7, 2015 at 7:38 am

    I feel Sri Prabhupada is not the right person for this topic as i believe its more related to brahman life style or person willing to surrender to God.

    Our Vedas and Puranas are very rich in education which teaches how to lead life for all types of people for examples bhramans, shatriyas, athiest, etc and person who has received such valuable education we call him as Guru.

    As far I think a real guru is person who can guide a troubled person out of his misery, attain a peaceful state and gain trust in God. In the above discussion there is nothing such is mentioned.

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  3. chetan  October 8, 2015 at 7:14 am

    Dear Niranjan Vivek…
    Srila Prabhupada says that this is Kaliyouga in this yuga we cant follow all those vedas and rituals because we will not able to understand them with our tiny knowledge so as per chaitannya Maha prabhu said in kaliyuga only Hari Naam will help you and easy way to approach god .And on the basis of Hari Naam only Prabhupad made lacs of devotiees in all over world and and at his 80’s he built 108 temples all over the world .

    Hare Krishna

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