Are Brahmins the Dalits of today?

Are Brahmins the Dalits of today?

At a time when the Congress government wanted to raise the quota for Other Backward Classes to 49.5 per cent in private and public sectors, nobody talks about the plight of the upper castes. The public image of the Brahmins, for instance, is that of an affluent, pampered class. But is it so today?

50 Sulabh Shauchalayas (public toilets) in Delhi; all of them are cleaned and looked after by Brahmins (this very welcome public institution was started by a Brahmin). A far cry from the elitist image that Brahmins have!

There are five to six Brahmins manning each Shauchalaya. They came to Delhi eight to ten years back looking for a source of income, as they were a minority in most of their villages, where Dalits are in majority (60 per cent to 65 per cent). In most villages in UP and Bihar, Dalits have a union which helps them secure jobs in villages.

Did you know that you also stumble upon a number of Brahmins working as coolies at Delhi’s railway stations? One of them, Kripa Shankar Sharma, says while his daughter is doing her Bachelors in Science he is not sure if she will secure a job.

“Dalits often have five to six kids, but they are confident of placing them easily and well,” he says. As a result, the Dalit population is increasing in villages. He adds: “Dalits are provided with housing, even their pigs have spaces; whereas there is no provision for gaushalas (cowsheds) for the cows of the Brahmins.”

You also find Brahmin rickshaw pullers in Delhi. 50 per cent of Patel Nagar’s rickshaw pullers are Brahmins who like their brethren have moved to the city looking for jobs for lack of employment opportunities and poor education in their villages.

Even after toiling the whole day, Vijay Pratap and Sidharth Tiwari, two Brahmin rickshaw pullers, say they are hardly able to make ends meet. These men make about Rs 100 to Rs 150 on an average every day from which they pay a daily rent of Rs 25 for their rickshaws and Rs 500 to Rs 600 towards the rent of their rooms which is shared by 3 to 4 people or their families.

Did you also know that most rickshaw pullers in Banaras are Brahmins?

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This reverse discrimination is also found in bureaucracy and politics. Most of the intellectual Brahmin Tamil class has emigrated outside Tamil Nadu. Only 5 seats out of 600 in the combined UP and Bihar assembly are held by Brahmins — the rest are in the hands of the Yadavs.

400,000 Brahmins of the Kashmir valley, the once respected Kashmiri Pandits, now live as refugees in their own country, sometimes in refugee camps in Jammu and Delhi in appalling conditions. But who gives a damn about them? Their vote bank is negligible.

And this is not limited to the North alone. 75 per cent of domestic help and cooks in Andhra Pradesh are Brahmins. A study of the Brahmin community in a district in Andhra Pradesh (Brahmins of India by J Radhakrishna, published by Chugh Publications) reveals that today all purohits live below the poverty line.

Eighty per cent of those surveyed stated that their poverty and traditional style of dress and hair (tuft) had made them the butt of ridicule. Financial constraints coupled with the existing system of reservations for the ‘backward classes’ prevented them from providing secular education to their children.

In fact, according to this study there has been an overall decline in the number of Brahmin students. With the average income of Brahmins being less than that of non-Brahmins, a high percentage of Brahmin students drop out at the intermediate level. In the 5 to 18 year age group, 44 per cent Brahmin students stopped education at the primary level and 36 per cent at the pre-matriculation level.

The study also found that 55 per cent of all Brahmins lived below the poverty line — below a per capita income of Rs 650 a month. Since 45 per cent of the total population of India is officially stated to be below the poverty line it follows that the percentage of destitute Brahmins is 10 per cent higher than the all-India figure.

There is no reason to believe that the condition of Brahmins in other parts of the country is different. In this connection it would be revealing to quote the per capita income of various communities as stated by the Karnataka finance minister in the state assembly: Christians Rs 1,562, Vokkaligas Rs 914, Muslims Rs 794, Scheduled castes Rs 680, Scheduled Tribes Rs 577 and Brahmins Rs 537.

Appalling poverty compels many Brahmins to migrate to towns leading to spatial dispersal and consequent decline in their local influence and institutions. Brahmins initially turned to government jobs and modern occupations such as law and medicine. But preferential policies for the non-Brahmins have forced Brahmins to retreat in these spheres as well.

According to the Andhra Pradesh study, the largest percentage of Brahmins today are employed as domestic servants. The unemployment rate among them is as high as 75 per cent. Seventy percent of Brahmins are still relying on their hereditary vocation. There are hundreds of families that are surviving on just Rs 500 per month as priests in various temples (Department of Endowments statistics).

Priests are under tremendous difficulty today, sometimes even forced to beg for alms for survival. There are innumerable instances in which Brahmin priests who spent a lifetime studying Vedas are being ridiculed and disrespected.

At Tamil Nadu’s Ranganathaswamy Temple, a priest’s monthly salary is Rs 300 (Census Department studies) and a daily allowance of one measure of rice. The government staff at the same temple receive Rs 2,500 plus per month. But these facts have not modified the priests’ reputation as ‘haves’ and as ‘exploiters.’ The destitution of Hindu priests has moved none, not even the parties known for Hindu sympathy.

The tragedy of modern India is that the combined votes of Dalits/OBC and Muslims are enough for any government to be elected. The Congress quickly cashed in on it after Independence, but probably no other government than Sonia Gandhi’s has gone so far in shamelessly dividing Indian society for garnering votes.

The Indian government gives Rs 1,000 crores (Rs 10 billion) for salaries of imams in mosques and Rs 200 crores (Rs 2 billion) as Haj subsidies. But no such help is available to Brahmins and upper castes. As a result, not only the Brahmins, but also some of the other upper castes in the lower middle class are suffering in silence today, seeing the minorities slowly taking control of their majority.

Anti-Brahminism originated in, and still prospers in anti-Hindu circles. It is particularly welcome among Marxists, missionaries, Muslims, separatists and Christian-backed Dalit movements of different hues. When they attack Brahmins, their target is unmistakably Hinduism.

So the question has to be asked: are the Brahmins (and other upper castes) of yesterday becoming the Dalits of today?

~By Francois Gautier

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61 Responses to "Are Brahmins the Dalits of today?"

  1. Kay  September 13, 2015 at 3:21 am

    The Brits spread lies about Bramhins destroy the keepers of the education and culture destroy the roots and no memory and life to the nation……

    • prasad M.B.D  July 5, 2016 at 11:57 pm

      see telugu movie 1940 lo oka graamamu, then you will understand the culture of brahmins you tube link”

  2. Rama  September 13, 2015 at 7:04 am

    stop crying about upper caste,lower caste….bla bla.

    Strive hard, study hard and make things possible. Let those losers talk about minorities, reservations etc….

    • Euronymous  September 13, 2015 at 2:34 pm

      Stop crying about upper caste, lower caste. Are you fucking kidding me? Strive hard, study hard. Yeah right. Open your eyes fool. Did you know that SC’s and ST’s need 0 percentile in the CAT entrance exam to into India’s prestigious IIM’s? Is that fair you selfish fuck?

      • Rama  September 13, 2015 at 10:43 pm

        Mind your language mate. Everyone has right to express their opinion. Lets keep the conversation healthy ( nothing personal ).

        I am not sure if did say something offending inorder for you to react in such manner. My intention was to neither to support any caste nor disrespect ( infact i dont believe in them).

        Its sad that in 21st century, we in India still have debates centred around caste/creed etc while whole world is progressing.

        The world is laughing at us by saying – “You(India) keep reserved and we take deserved”

        • Srinivasan Ramachandran  September 15, 2015 at 3:10 am


          Euronymous just felt the same entitlement to his opinion as you did. Except his language was quite strong. Whilst, I sincerely appreciate your equality opinion but the need of the hour is very different to demand focus on speaking philosophically about equality. I am myself a Brahmin and I was raised by parents who taught me the equality as the first lesson of life. My mom taught me that the foremost quality of an orthodox Brahmin is showing compassion to all life forms. I repeat all life forms. I grew up with those philosophies only to be ridiculed by the society. I don’t proclaim that my percentile was more than 95% and failed to secure admissions but only an average student. I did not deserve any place better than anyone who was on the same level of academic intellect. Contradictingly seeing a dalit neighbhour who barely scraped his high school exams successfully gets admission in his engineering and upon completion is placed in Telecom department. Wow. Hats off to the system. Anyways I feel this system is only putting extra pressure and unfair load of weight on Brahmins and making them more stronger. Or that is what I would choose to believe.



        • M.B.D.Prasad  July 6, 2016 at 12:01 am

          if yo see the telugu moie 1940 lo oka graamamu in you tube youwill understand every thing, including vedaas, bhagavat geeta,

      • Vihaan  February 23, 2016 at 7:55 am

        U are urself a big fool or u r trying to fool others…CAT should be the only exception…but what about medical exams like AIIMS AIPMT and engineering exams JEE ..only non eligible fucking low caste people get selected on the basis of SC and ST quota..and general class gets nothing…for equality to sustain, govt.should end the bloody quota syste:m..its becoz of this, in each sphere a non eligible illiterate person is sitting eating the govt. Money…if the low class people have good brains then why the hell they are overusing their sc and st certificate..without quota ,they are mere ANGOOTHACHHAP…U understand that!

        • Doodle  February 27, 2016 at 7:13 am

          You mean to say every SC/ST is incompetent than every single Gen. Category. What a sick logic? Reservation is still there only because of casteists like you. Way to go!

    • Indian  April 26, 2016 at 2:08 pm

      can you study without having food which is minimum required for a being.

      see in the homes of poor brahmins as they are crying for a proper meals and to wear clothes like others in the society.

      visit the temples where there was no income and visit the house of a brahmin who is priest of that temple.

      then say these words.

  3. kumar  September 13, 2015 at 7:05 am

    Brahmins are capable of managing difficult times. Till now brahmins have never supported other brahmins in distress. If helpful attitude is developed across states we will be back in the game

  4. RAM  September 13, 2015 at 8:31 am

    The Untouchability was practiced first in Brahmin home, where the father keep his own people as untouchable while practicing Pujas & Rituals. Where is the reason that Brahmins are upper cast and intentionally made untouchables into the society. This is practice of sacredness and not division of society. We practiced in the society.

  5. Brutus Balan  September 13, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    Why not? A little taste of their own medicine will humble them to respect all others as equals after a good royal run.

    • Bitch Balan  September 13, 2015 at 7:12 pm

      Is your father’s name Brutus or Balan? I guess you would use either for convenience.

      Please substantiate whatever you say. It is possible you’re misguided by what movies portray Brahmins as, or you’re just high on dope — both equally likely without furnishing facts.

    • vahelsing  September 14, 2015 at 4:43 pm

      Are u sure u pile of garbage…… Eye for an eye will leave the world blind….go home and cry to ur Naan… U peace of shite…..get over with my ancestors were oppressed bullshit….. Punk

    • Ashok Srinivasan  September 15, 2015 at 3:19 am

      You are completely right Brutus Balan. I completely agree with you. But I am wondering if you are giving the same lesson to all the wrong doers. Let me think of a question to you then. Oh yeah, the Britishers have had their share of many misdoings, squandering that was imposed equally on all Indians. Why not stop their grandchildren from entering our land? Unreasonable right? How can I even punish my Britain brothers now who never had any share in some of the documented horrendous acts against Indians before independence? Balan, please grow up and don’t cry in blindfolded anger. Your statement of taste of their own medicine is not working Balan. Try to give the medicine to all the original people who invented it originally and not to the irrelevant population just because they bare the label of a Brahmin.

      Peace to everyone.



  6. Indian  September 13, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    Absolutely , India has no future with this kind of democracy . Don’t be Disappointed with my opinion , please read the below comments.
    To control a population of 125 Crore we need to have a fair and a disciplined rule .
    The current constitution is Crap , Law and IPC should be revised to latest version as the latest syllabus for students is revised every year .
    So People {Janata Janardhan} with reservation, we are only showing our country is still backward after gaining independence for more than 60 years . The real talented people are going out of Country because of the bloody politicians third class vote bank politics . If someone has the guts towards India and wants to see India Progress , Please protest against reservation and be a man to inspire others to be a man and work hard for Self and Country’s Progress .

    Jai Hind

  7. priya  September 13, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    Kindly note that untouchability is still practiced in many parts of India! There are some professions such as clearing pieces of human bodies hit by trains off the track that are solely done by dalits! Till date people claim vedas to defend untouchability! So kindly please be aware of such atrocities before publishing an article as such this! You have no idea how deepseated the concept of caste divide is…i am sad to read this article because it shows how ignorant some learned sect of people are of reality and truth!

    • Girish  September 14, 2015 at 4:53 am

      Priya, if u ask anyone to pet a dog or cow they can do it easily. However if u tell someone to clean up the carcass of the same dog or cow. Most don’t. It’s not about bramhins or dalits… it’s about how comfortable one is with a task. For eg, I am scared of fighting and do not have the physique for that and so I won’t make a good soldier. It’s the same way brahmins are generally vegetarian and hence the idea of blood and meat repulse them.

      • Doodle  February 27, 2016 at 7:16 am

        So what about meat-eating Brahmins? Grow up man!

    • chaitanya  September 14, 2015 at 4:51 pm

      Hi priya,
      I don’t know how many cases that you have seen in brahmins who are still practising untouchability. But myself as a brahmin, if we don’t have IT field the entire brahmin community can’t sustain in this present society. I studied B.TECH from presgitious university(govt university even though reservations are there in education system) but i can’t make the same in govt jobs as you all know that very less number of seats are available to OCs.. For eg: if you got 10 govt posts in that 8 seats for reservations and the rest 2 seats are for Open categrey(in that reserved candidates can also apply). Now tell me how can we sustain in this society?? we are becoming dalits now.. even we are ready for that but the thing is eventhough we are ready to bare this situation we are not ready to bare any sort of balming from any other reserved castes… this is sincere request to other castes that we are not responsible to ur position in society.

    • Ashok Srinivasan  September 15, 2015 at 3:26 am

      My dear sister Priya,

      You are right about the fact that untouchability is still a practice in India. But honestly from your heart can you make a statement it is solely an act of Brahmins alone? For example, un-touchability is practiced in Tamilnadu by other castes that does not involve Brahmins at all. Ironically, those practising the act of un-touchability fall under reserved categories maa. Also do you know though people convert to Christianity they still adhere to the practice of giving children in marriage to the same community or caste. They might have changed the religion, but idea of caste and creed has not changed at all. Do you have anything to say about this?



  8. Shah  September 14, 2015 at 1:57 am

    Almist 25% of CMs used to Brahmins until 80s. I think Brahmin moving towards BJP was wrong step, and they are the most granted vote for BJP.

  9. Akaash  September 14, 2015 at 3:31 am

    I m not a brahmin but I respect them for their culture and way of living..they are always maintain hygiene,keep house clean and are well cultured..the practice of untouchability was because most working class ppl were not clean, and never followed hygiene. In fact most of them don’t even follow today sadly..

  10. venkat  September 14, 2015 at 1:24 pm

    Current Generation will never be proud of India as far as Caste Reservations are there..
    The Taxes should be benefited to Economically background people who are talented.
    Let’s hope the Next Generation can feel proud of India by proudly saying ‘I am Indian’.

  11. chandran methil  September 15, 2015 at 4:31 am

    The reservation system has served its purpose after seven decades of Independence.It’s strange the even advanced and prosperous communities like the Patils and Jats want to be classified as backward communities for the sake of Government jobs.Reservation should only be for Scheduled Tribes and Scheduled castes. These are the communities that need support and reservation should be only for schools and first degree courses in Universities. The present system has resulted in migration of talent to the West. We have not produced a Nobel winner locally for decades. All our finest talent are NRI’s. If we want to progress in the comity of nations,we can’t drive away our talent. There has to be meritocracy in the higher realms of Government and Education. The caste system is surely but certainly breaking down and the higher castes are the main losers. The present system of reservations needs drastic overhaul.

  12. PRASHANT  September 15, 2015 at 10:49 am

    This is themajor achievement of Congress in 60 years.

  13. G s r murty  September 16, 2015 at 8:16 am

    Truly, the present reservation policy needs review. Otherwise the children of IAS/IPS, or senior/executive level or class-I/Ii posts in state, central government and other organizations are continue to get the reservation depriving the needy persons.. In what way these children are inferior to others. If they have not studied well, that’s their fate. The government should seriously think of introducing creamy layer system in reservations. But every government or political party has no guts, as their vote bank may vanish.
    One of the reader written about untouchability in the villages. There has been lot of change in the villages. She perhaps not visited the villages. Presently the Brahmins and few other upper castes have become minors. As stated in this article, these are the people who need really reservation on the basis of economic backwardness.

  14. S. RAMASWAMY  September 17, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    I really appreciate your feelings. In each and every community rich and poor are there. But actiually poor only suffering like any thing. The poor peope should come up. The obc ie other backward community should be changed as EBC economically backward communities. How ration are given is it caste based or income based. How income tax returns are implemented . Is it caste based or income based . Why the central govt implement reservation based on income basis. Then all people of all castes get benefited. First govt should implement it immediately

  15. Lakshmi  September 18, 2015 at 3:09 am

    each dog has its day. They made the caste system and the practice of untouchability. Portrayed to be the descendants of God. Reservations came into existence because of the atrocities Brahmins did to the other caste people,Because of the discrimination you Brahmins practiced ,why are you Brahmins crying foul now?

  16. lakshmi  September 18, 2015 at 5:26 am

    And for the record I’m a Brahmin myself and I’ve seen how my grandparents and parents and my relatives have treated the lower caste . The treatment meted out to them used to make me sick. But these people used to take pride in discriminating. Even during these times it’s like this I can imagine how worst if would’ve been in the olden times. It’s only because of Brahmins that the people even converted to other religion. Most of the converts are from the sc/st community. If not for Brahmins no other religion could have penetrated into our country.

  17. Kalyan  September 19, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    Well, let me also give my opinion to my friends.

    As we see, this is one of the social issues popping around the state currently. Logically speaking, a social problem can be understood well by analyzing it in terms of “social” itself.

    History : Let us rewind the origin of how this reservation system came into force. As per the history, since 2000 years Dalits had been forced to be depressed and dejected by Brahmins. A Dalit should not take even a sip of water. If they do, they were stabbed to death. I can not exaggerate this anyhow, all of us already knew.

    Geography : From this post, I observed “Brahmin becoming a Dalit” — I dont understand what exactly the author’s view, if this is only because of doing jobs in toiletries in 50 (with some specific count) or so.. Since 20 centuries a Dalit is doing the same as of date and there is already a caste specific to this job in Varnashram dharma from Manushastra.

    Economy : This is somewhat miserable both in Dalits as well as Upper castes. But I still see, there is no social justice in many of the villages as well as in towns and there is a deep discrimination upon the Dalits. So even if the reservation is based on economic status, how can the Dalit be developed if there is such discrimination by upper caste ppl.

    Political : Finally, we ourselves are debating with the topic. Definitely a politician knows about all these issues and imbalances. Why they are playing a silent role.

    If upper castes are sure that there is no such imbalance, are they OK for inter-caste marriages. If not, this clearly shows there is no equality among Hindhus it self and again more no. of SC/ST ppl will turn to other religions in future.

  18. Gururaj vaidya  February 21, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    Yes it is true but enemies of Brahmins mainly, are Brahmins only, they do not want their own to grow to higher heights than themselves, added to this the enviornment and the poison spread against them are also an hindrance added to this misuse of their position and some times narrow considerations have also gone against them, However now the Brahmins are realising because today more than 70 percent are in the middle, lower middle class or poor sections of the society, mostly they are not corrupt and surround themselves with a wall of righteousness, Today atleast the brahmins who are well placed should realise it and help their community to atleast have a decent life

  19. Brahmananda kar  February 22, 2016 at 6:49 am

    why do n’t govt. give poison to finish poor Brahmin from India.Kasmir they already did massacred .

  20. baba  February 22, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    Karma does its JOB! In 1990’s No one talked about Dalits who faced hell treatment from upper caste people in India Rights, Today people are talking about Brahmins. Shame on you

  21. TeluguGuy  February 23, 2016 at 12:19 am

    Stop crying and start treating them equal, thats the only solution. Another way to treat them equal, start Inter-caste marriage. If not somebody will post similar column after 100 hundred years and our great grand children will be debating on it as we are doing now.

  22. H.S.Subbaramaiah  February 23, 2016 at 8:22 am

    I read the above article and 29 responses from the readers of the above article. Just because of the reservation policy in force all these 30 intellectuals had come to a conclusion that the Brahamin community is becoming Dalith community.

    The writer of this article had taken pains to show that the Brahmins community has lost its higher status and to be recognised as a Dalith community.

    The meaning of the word Dalith means oppressed. As on today the Brhamin community is being treated as a forward class of people in records of Government. Brhamin means knowledgeable person. Yes it is indisputable fact.

    If one observes passage of time from the day our country gained Indipendence and become Republic, Brahmin community has not fallen out of forward class even after so many privileges given to other two classes to come up to the level of Brahmin Community. With all privileges and assistance so given by the Government from last 65 years the other communities are still sticking on to backward class and Schedule cast. The people who were classified as Daliths by the Government and other organisation are continued to be Daliths even after 65 years with all great efforts made by the Government and other organisations.

    Whereas the Brahmin community is graciously taking up the services done by the other communities which they neglected to do in the process of gaining upper position to the expectation of the Government and other organisation.

    The ironical part of it is a person who reaches the height of Chief Minister of a state or any other highest post is being noted as Dalith. That means the meaning for the word Dalith is totally lost.

    So if you call Brhamin Community as Daliths it may not affect them.

  23. shivaswamy  February 27, 2016 at 5:28 am

    Every citizen in today’s ;Survival of the fittest times; will have to imbibe the Gunaas or qualities of all the Varnaas to survie in modern times.It is no use talking about superiority of any human being based on birth only..

  24. Harikrishnan  March 1, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    I do not know the real facts & figures (i meant 1st hand information that happened before my sight) of what has exactly happened in the past history of so called caste domination.

    But what I could visualize from current trend that exist before me is, “Since government is sticking on to caste based quota system without any fixed / planned time frame, the policy leaves hurts the sentiments of struggling/suffering side of the population”.

    If Government feel that Brahmins or Forward class dominated other castes for 50 or 60 or 70 years (whatever is proven fact), let them keep the special quota system open for rest other classes for equivalent years of time for uplifting all caste people to equal level and set things common from then for every individual citizen of the country.

    Else, let Government’s quota system exist based on financial/economic status of a family or under-privileged geography (who/which is yet to unearth the current modern society) instead of hanging around caste based reforms.

    However, if still the Government / society feel of going on with an indefinite cast based quota system, please put yourself on the other side of the table & suggest what Brahmin / Forward class Indian citizens need to do to support them self better in this unbalanced quota structure in Modern India.

    Jai Hind!

  25. Anirudh  March 2, 2016 at 6:15 am

    Two wrongs do-not make a right. Suppressed classes were given an opportunity from past 50-60 years to improve themselves up. However as per the current scenario there are poor people in suppressed as well as in open class. The time has come for us to change our thinking and think above the caste, creed and gender level. Let us start giving reservations to economically deprived but meritorius people. This paradigm shift will help us in improving our country. Let us not go by what politicians say, they just want to divide and rule. Jai Bharat!!!

  26. ANIL KADADI  March 3, 2016 at 9:30 am


  27. Sourav Ken  April 20, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    Article is good read… I wonder why every time is about them or them (yes both side of them people) … Why no body want to break the caste system as a whole….

  28. padmanabh  April 20, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    There is no unity among brahmins a vanishing community as per present all india census.north indian brahmins never respect south indian brahminsdue to superiority complex.There is also cultural and regional difference among brahmins,having more subsects,somany brahmins are crossing over to other communitiesor converted due to poor economics status.most of the north based brahmins lack education compared to south brahmins so they are even doing scavenger work,housemaid work,coolie worketc etc to make a living mainly in places like UP,BIHAR,W.BENGALetc.No rich brahmins is interested in uplifting the poor .so the brahmin community is on the brink of extintion.Those who are rich go to foreign and after settling there marry christians to get permanent visa.

  29. R Ramesh  April 21, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    To solve this issue it is better to abolish General quota in all state and central govts and just give 5% to Brahmin/other OCs and rest 95% may be distributed to all other /castes/community

  30. Ganga Visaanathan  May 1, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    Having gone through all these opinnions I observe :
    1. The reason for the brahmins not being a force is due to low numbers. As we are aware even if they form 10 to 15%of population politicians would stand on their head to get support. They are scattered thinly all over.
    2.There is a fair feeling income should become a base for resrvation
    3 Discrimination will continue in some form or other where govts.are elected by popular votes – politicians will exploit
    4. People also have to remember that from about the end of 19th centurry till 1970’s it was these upper cate leaders who fought for the rights of the dalits and others.
    5. Let us just look into how many dalits have contributed to uiplift their brothers.
    6. Are the dalits who have come up willing to give up their reserved status to enable another dalit to cone up.?
    7. A first step has been taken by Gujarat Govt.to introduce resrvation on economic background at 10% and MP Govt.has withdrawn reservation in promotion. Both progressive steps – they are BJP governed states – lets watch the reaction.
    8. One can go on arguing and finding reasons ,Dr.Ambedkar whos name is used as a crutch by one and all,was against reservation. Congress forced it with a ten year period – since it was lucarative for political ends they have extended it for over sixty five years now.
    Now I would ask of the people who have responded on this, all are ecucated and capable if reasoning -is it fair yet to carry on this – forget thd brahmin dalit etc -ARE WE NOT PRACTICING THE SAME APARTHIED POLICY THAT HAS BEEN CRITCUZED WORLD OVER AND NOW FINALLY EXTINCT -EXCEPT IN INDIA

  31. Ram  May 2, 2016 at 5:15 am

    7 out of the last 10 PMs r Brahmins! With a 5% population. You remain elitist. 32% of all govt jobs are with Brahmins. Brahmins are ordained to beg by the Vedas, begging is not dispicable but is considered a virtue. The wisdom of our elders ensured Brahmins do not accumulate excessive wealth. I have yet to see a Brahmin do charity or help in the restoration of our temples. Now don’t say Narayana Murthy! Merit is a mystique of the elite. Considerations like social status and oppression are equally important for policy makers to develop a healthy society. Do a Mensa test and most of the 99 percentage students will hardly cross 110. They are no Einstein. They have mastered the art of cracking these exams. Why don’t you ask RSS to start institutes of higher learning like the church? Build capacity instead of crying. It is not reservation that is the problem but lack of enough seats. Anybody with 80% should be given a seat, not doing so is like poking ourselves in the eye as a society.

  32. Dennis Leslie  May 2, 2016 at 6:51 am

    On matters of personal hygiene and cleanliness, be it a Dalit grave-digger or any member of upper-castes, a man is often judge upon certain qualities above his caste and creed fixation. For a Brahmin “pujari” who’s ordained to keep the sanctum sanctorum of his temple clean and untouched by loathsome vandals, he is by virtue, most concern with his sacred duties, on which, even his own wife and children are not entertained to partake in his scared rituals. A Brahmin maybe a downright pauper or have to toil hard to fetch his bread with no Govt quotas/aids’, even though he alone is capable or entitled to chant his Vedic mantras, contact pujas and inculcate those subtle ideas of Vedas on anyone regardless caste, creed or colour.

  33. kvrao  May 2, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    the article is written in pre independence days please take another survey you will get to know the facts can any body say temple priests are not accepting money when they put setagopam on heD they ask money with the other hand , minimum 80% brahmins are above middle class and rich too, the rest brahmins can help the poor as they feel their caste is poor , in the erstwhile education system , there were only brahmin teachers they used to concentrate on brahmin students and used to encourage them as erstwhile exams are based only memory not intelligence and memorising is in their DNA they used to excel in education slowly but surely as entrance exams are being conducted the real merit has caught even lower caste people are also able to get ranks in 1st to 10 ranks and brahmins started feeling the pinch as their wards are not matching with other castes as before as their memory no longer works , earlier in central services upto 1985 every IAS is a tamil brahmin now u can count them on fingers as many from other castes have started getting to IAS even without reservztion this is pricking them a lot

  34. p.sambasivarao  May 2, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    Is there any other country where the quotas are allocated on the basis as we do in India? minority quotas, laws and rules , every thing . nowhere exce[pt India. Infact , it is in other countries persecution is more in history. whether in USA with black people , in britain with scottish, and many more things. but nobody is given any thing.
    Leave this for a while. How long these quotas? now every body is asking quotas based on their population. our government has succesfully followed the divide and rule policy of the british government. it is shame on democracy.

  35. Bhushan  May 2, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    As per the Vedas, Caste system is a social structure to manage society, without privileges for any one.
    Brahmin is never hereditary, it is a character pure, holy, honest and truthful. Not necessary that the parents of a Brahmin are Brahmins or Children of Brahmins be Brahmins.
    This structure is part of every society weather Indian or not.
    This fight for reservations can end if we consider entrepreneurship to create jobs, towards social wellbeing for one and all, which was, is and will be the Vedic Ideal. This is possible by helping each other and leaving jealousies alone once and for all.

  36. Sanghibybirth  May 10, 2016 at 4:03 am

    lol what lie….even if its true already tired ?just think abot dalit suffering from thousands of years?

  37. MADMISHRA  May 15, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    Brahmins are Brahmins. They did not need support of any physical entity to survive in this physical world. If they increase their quality, purity and follow the right path. Then it is sure that they will get there space. Whole world is our home.

  38. V.S. Nagarajan  May 17, 2016 at 3:11 am

    The days are coming in the near future that the salary to private or government employees should get equal
    amount of Dearness Allowance as was in the past. The percentage of basic pay not to be considered to arrive Dearness Allowance. The uniformity in Dearness allowance will unite human between the nations. There is no question of rich and poor and caste divisions when human are human .

  39. K.V. Seetharamaiah  May 19, 2016 at 8:23 am

    Why cry foul vis-a-vis untouchability? What if brahmins do not touch others assuming that untouchability exists? If brahmins do not touch non-brahmins, let non-brahmins not touch brahmins. Brahmins are in the eye of storm even though they are docile in nature. If others are backward, how can brahmins become responsible for it? Had the pernicious system of reservation not been introduced, perhaps others would not have come forward educationally is the obsessed view with others. This is not to say that brahmins are only intelligent and talented. Others should have demonstrated their prowess by kicking the reservation and show-cased that they are no less superior to brahmins. Who are brahmins to do injustice to others? Brahmins have not prevented the SC/ST from coming forward educationally. But the government and policy makers are sparing no efforts to keep the brahmins backward with ‘forward tag’ not removed. If brahmins have talent, it is despite government’s oppressive measures on brahmins. Treat all citizens as equal and then see the result. Government is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Let every party pledge that resevation will be scrapped should (if) they come to power. The political parties need not confront the problem of preserving, protecting and promoting their vote banks. Let everybody be happy. No one should ride over the other. Vote bank should be built on the pedestal of being good and doing good to all.

  40. Preetam aswath  May 19, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    Brahmins are Brahmins they do not need any reservation nor do they beg for it. History has potrayed Brahmins in a bad day. We are intelligent enough to stand on our legs n face any odds. When we were young we were repeatedly reminded that no reservations n no donations so we had to work hard all our lives … to win up we are intelligent n brave

    • Niraj Upadhyay  May 20, 2016 at 6:18 pm

      My sentiments too…. Brahmins are intelligent enough and have always had the ancient knowledge to fall back upon…

      watch Pankaj Kapoor in “Dharm”… get a good idea about a good brahmin, not just a priest!!

  41. Optimist  May 19, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    Wow.. This is a really good forum to talk about this unfair justice. Okay I am just a teenager.. so, i hope you guys are gonna let it go if i say something wrong. The way I see it, reservations were needed to uphold and promote education to the people. The dalits were the most of the pile. I think that it is justice provided after all that oppressing. Now, the time has changed. No one even gives a damn about caste (At least not my generation). I am not proud of being a brahmin nor the dalits are embarrassed. 69 years is a lot of time for people to come up. If they don’t they just don’t have the capability. It’s that simple. The brahmins have understood the importance of equality and have been bearing quite a lot of load. Now, its time for the talented to strive and hence for the nation to grow. We surely wouldn’t want the talented and skilled people leaving the country in the hope of better opportunities. I myself have thought about leaving the country if I can but i really don’t want to. It’s time for the nation to really grow and become developed and not remain as a developing country. I hope the people think better and make the better choice by supporting anti reservation.

  42. Optimist  May 19, 2016 at 3:24 pm

    The modern society is still like that of the old one, if you notice it properly. The rich and powerful act like the brahmins of the old age and oppress the workers and the politicians who are the puppets of the rich and powerful act like the kshathriyas, the business men and the self employed men the vaishyas and the working class the shudras. You may say whatever you like but that is the truth. Before the oppressing used to be open but now it is in the shadows. The working class is oppressed but the lifestyle has changed because of modern innovations. That is the only difference. It is all in the system.Those who have the skill work their way through it and others whine about the system. Its every man for himself. You either become the predator or the pray.

  43. sandesh  June 9, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    Freinds, One day we will unite and rule…dat day is not far

  44. sultan  July 11, 2016 at 11:12 am

    Brahmins didnot need anyones support.

  45. Satya  July 16, 2016 at 9:03 am

    Whether you’re Brahmin or belong to any other Varna.respect our karma theory which is said in all Hindu scriptures.be good and beget good.every Brahman should remember this,this is what they were teaching from ages.today whatever you are facing ie poverty or joblessness,it is all because of ancient Brahmins who misused the powers wrested with them.had they visualised what happens in future and treated every sect of the society equally and give education to all varnas,our people would not have so much grudge now and they would have respect even in modern india.but instead of educating about Vedas they started ill treating on different pretexts.so Vedas are not for only themselves,it is for entire mankind,which they should have taught to everyone,but they have never done that.started feeling supreme about themselves and even above God.which even God didn’t like it bcos in purusha suktam it is said very clearly that all varnas are made out from me.Brahmans made from head, Kshatriyas made from arms, Vaishyas made from thighs and shudras made from feet.they became so head strong that they were made from head and started feeling as supreme beings but one thing they forgot was even shudras were from Lord Mahavishnu’s body and his body doesn’t have any bad part to get a bad treatment meted out to them.this must’ve annoyed Mahavishnu and he wanted to show them their true place.Everyone in Hinduism believes without Gods will not even a leaf falls and such a deep rooted system is getting changed means do you think all these things are happening without gods consent.So without any resentment accept gods will.even I belong to upper caste ohhh I am sorry I should not use upper or lower bcos this is what divides us as we all are made from same Mahavishnu and how come we become upper or lower and that’s definitely insulting God himself.So let’s treat everyone with equal love and opportunity and may be this may make God happy and bring equality in all our lives.i am Kshatriya and my husband is Dalit and I want God to know that I am his true devotee and never allow any discrimination in Gods creation.So my request to all Brahmins not to lose trust in God after one cycle ends and another cycle starts.definitely everyone will get good time and we must accept it as Gods decision and he is allowing us to wash our sins this way.we must accept gracefully that we have really ill treated very badly and it’s time to repent.Also my request to all those who are beneficiaries now don’t show arrogance and again one day will come where we have to repent,So if possible help a true intelligent,honest and godly person without seeing his caste creed etc.that is one way of becoming a Brahmin without taking birth as Brahmin


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